Posted by: Standing Solus Christus | January 6, 2008

Lord’s Day Quote: John Calvin

We make the freely given promise of God the foundation of faith because upon it faith properly rests.  Faith is certain that God is true in all things whether he command or forbid, whether he promise or threaten; and it also obediently receives his commandments, observes his prohibitions, heeds his threats.  Nevertheless, faith properly begins with the promise, rests in it, and ends in it.  For in God faith seeks life: a life that is not found in commandments or declarations of penalties, but in the promise of mercy, and only in a freely given promise.  For a conditional promise that sends us back to our own works does not promise life unless we discern it ourselves.  Therefore, if we would not have our faith tremble and waver, we must buttress it with the promise of salvation, which is willingly and freely offered to us by the Lord in consideration of our misery rather than our deserts.  The apostle, therefore, bears this witness to the gospel: that it is the word of faith (Rom 10:8).  He distinguishes the gospel both from the precepts of the law and from the promises, since there is nothing that can establish faith except that generous embassy by which God reconciles the world to himself (II Cor 5:19-20).  Thence, also, arises that frequent correlation of faith and gospel is committed to him to further “obedience to the faith” (Rom 1:5), that “it is the power of God for salvation to every believer;…in it the righteousness of God is revealed through faith for faith” (Rom 1:16-17).  And no wonder! Indeed, since the gospel is the “ministry of reconciliation” (II Cor 5:18), no other sufficiently firm testimony of God’s benevolence to us exists, the knowledge of which faith seeks.

Therefore, when we say that faith must rest upon a freely given promise, we do not deny the believers embrace and grasp the Word of God in every respect: but we point out the promise of mercy as the proper goal of faith. 

John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion

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Responses

  1. You have finally addressed the passage and I will respond to it. You say:

    YOU are really blinded. Maybe you confused the word “work/s” as explained by St Paul. There are two works being explained here. You might have confused both works as only one, that is, the Law of Moses that leads to boasting.
    Thus, even if you do not follow the Law of Moses, through faith, you are able to work with the faith of Jesus Christ. Your deeds, action, work, works, are done through the help of Jesus Christ. Thus, even if you work, it will not lead to boasting, because you are not working alone anymore. You have a helper, Jesus Christ.
    Romans 4:1-5
    1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
    4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
    Thus, if he worked through the Law of faith, after he believed in God, he followed, obeyed, worked out what was supposed to be commanded to him as explained by St James

    It seems that you are adding to the text in this situation to support your beliefs. The apostle Paul is not talking about two different types of works here. This is not in the passage, so I am unsure how you see it. Again the Law of Moses did not exist when Abraham lived it came 430 years later. Therefore, you cannot say that the works referred to in this passage are referring to the Law of Moses.

    The apostle is contrasting faith and works in this passage it is really clear that works are not what made Abraham right before God. What made him right before God? Jesus Christ did, the promised Seed. Faith in this promised Seed is what made him right with God. It is the same for us only we are looking back to what Christ did and Abraham was looking forward. Paul says his faith is credited as righteousness not any type of works.

    Let’s read on a little further in Romans to further demonstrate this principle. Romans 5:1-11:

    1Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
    6For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

    Read this passage again and consider whether it is in harmony with you are saying…allow me to point out how it isn’t if you are still unconvinced:

    First, notice verse one, which says that “we have been justified by faith”. This may go unnoticed at first, but it is important for our understanding of the passage. So, please notice that this verb is in the past tense indicating that our justification is a completed thing. It is not an on-going process that we need to continually work at, it is finished (see John 19:30).

    Second, we have peace with God through “our Lord Jesus Christ”. Notice how he doesn’t say “through our Lord Jesus Christ” and our obedience to the ‘law of faith.’ No! Our peace with God, our right standing, our eternal life is provided by Christ received freely by grace through faith at the moment we believe (in the past).

    Third, the next several verses describe our response in gratitude to this grace that we have received without doing anything. This response has nothing to do with our peace with God only Jesus Christ does.

    Fourth, Christ died for the ungodly for sinners who were helpless to save them selves, which was an act of God’s love. He then reemphasizes that we have now been (past tense) justified by his (Jesus’) blood, which saves us from the wrath of God that we deserve. Again it is Christ alone that saved us, otherwise he would have said that “we have been justified by his blood” and our obedience to the ‘law of faith’. However, this is nowhere in the passage, because it is a false doctrine.

    Fifth, while we were enemies God reconciled us to Himself through the death of His Son and we are now saved by His life. Notice again these verbs are all past tense, which indicates that it is not an on-going process. Moreover, again He indicates how we are saved by Christ alone, otherwise he would said “by His life” and by our obedience to the ‘law of faith’. Again this is nowhere in the passage, because it is not true.

    How can you argue with this? The Scriptures are being very clear and you are unwilling to let them speak.

    Now let’s address this comment as well:

    Yes, you cannot understand these things because your church is not an imitator of the Church of God in the bible, nor your teachers have the grace of God.
    By the way brother author, you insist that works is not needed but faith only to be saved. Do you mean, you will just have faith and will not obey the commandments to Christians as written by St Paul? Can you please define “works,” “faith,” and “salvation”?
    Yes, you are using St Paul’s writings, maybe without the motive to deceive, but you yourself were deceived by your teachers. Thus, if you are a blind and trying to lead a group of blind people, both of your will fall to a ditch.

    For faith read the quotation of this post. For salvation read Roman’s 5 above. Let’s clarify works for a moment.

    Works describe behavior and they are defined relative to the standards that are commanded in Scripture. Your works are described as good or bad depending on their relationship to the standards defined in Scripture.

    Christians are commanded to perform good works, however these works are not the basis of their salvation otherwise it would lead to boasting. Moreover, it is impossible for us to perform the works necessary to earn our salvation. The works necessary to earn salvation are best described by Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5, 6 and 7). After His discourse in chapter 5 where he elevates the bar of works to an unreachable height for human beings He summarizes what we need to do in order to earn our salvation in verse 48:

    You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Now if you think that you can earn your salvation through the performance of good works it needs to meet this standard, perfection. Even with Jesus helping you this would be impossible. And if you deny it you are a liar (1 John 1:8).

    The truth is that Jesus has helped us, by meeting this perfect standard for us. He completely fulfilled all righteousness in our place. We cannot add to this even if we wanted too. If we could then the Romans 5 passage I just quoted above would not be in the Scriptures. Your insistence in proclaiming that we need to add works of righteousness for our salvation diminishes the sufficiency of Jesus’ work. This insistence is saying that it wasn’t enough and we need to add to it. If this is true then why would Jesus have to die? He wouldn’t have. But thank God you are incorrect and Jesus did fulfill all righteousness and we are saved by His life, death and resurrection.

  2. Author, you are indeed a liar. Most likely, you do not have any idea that spirit of Jesus Christ has been guiding Abraham. Abraham has seen him.

    Galatians 3:8
    The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”

    John 8:

    37 I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father.”

    39″Abraham is our father,” they answered.

    “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father does.”

    54Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

    57″You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”

    58″I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

    Brother, must I repeat the verses to you so you can hear?

    Galatians 3:25
    Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

    Romans 3:27
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Apostle Paul was talking about the supervision of the law of Moses because he was talking to the Jews. These Jews prefer to follow the Law of Moses instead the Law of Faith, which is the faith of Jesus Christ.

    The Law of Faith is the law followed by Abraham and the rest who did not follow the Law of Moses.
    Those whose deeds have not not lead to boasting.

    Romans 3:27
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Where is boasting? Is it by the Law of works/MOises or by the Law of Faith. The answer is, boasting is excluded by the
    Law of Faith.

    Romans 3:31
    Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

    Romans 9:32
    Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

    My answers to you are found here:

    https://msamudio.wordpress.com/about-this-series-and-this-site/#comments

    But you rather decided to answer on another link? What are you trying to insinuate? Are you trying to keep your readers away from the scriptures that I pasted in answer to your own explanation?

    Now, I will prove that you really have been misguided by your blind teachers in understanding the law being mentioned by St Paul. You do not even have any idea what works and what not are being said in the verses.

    By your own statement, you obviously disregarded the Apostles, witnesses, where the explanation came from. You blatantly disregarded St Paul when he further explained what he meant in his writing to the Romans, when he wrote to the Hebrews.

    Hebrews 13:6 (KJV)
    6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me

    He also wrote to the Philippians:

    Philippians 3:9
    And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

    You see brother, I do not wish or mean to debate on the verses that you are mentioning. I wanted to prove that you are not done explaning. All I wanted for you is to hear first, read first, stop explaining. The bible will interpret itself after you have heard from your heart.

    Explaining is what you really are doing. You are not given the grace to understand the scriptures.

    Explanations that came out of the verses originated from your own understanding. You are clearly deviating from the context and spirit of the scriputeres.

    For one below. Perfection is done in practice. By practicing holiness, it is better than physical exercise because, holiness is valuable even to the eternal life. HOw can you practice holiness without deeds?

    1 Timothy 4:
    8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

    You said, “Christians are commanded to perform good works, however these works are not the basis of their salvation otherwise it would lead to boasting.”

    Of course brother, St Paul is correct by saying that works leads to boasting. But what specific works are being mentioned that leads to boasting? It is the Law of Moses or physical circumcision because he was talking mainly to the Jews. Now St Paul was teaching further that works that should be followed are good works that are brought about by faith to God. Because even, Jesus Christ has this faith. That faith is what God wanted the Christians to have. It is the Law of Faith. Thus St Paul further his explanation to the Hebrews, which are mainly Jews.

    You said in your our first link that, ” Not only does your Churches position render Christ’s work unnecessary, it also makes it insufficient.”

    No, the Church of God that I want you to believe in are doing the opposite of what you just claimed about us!

    We render the position of Christ’s works significant! Because as I have mentioned earlier, Jesus Christ is our helper for us to be able to affirm our faith through our deeds and works. We are not boasting because we are affirming also that we cannot work without God’s guidance, without the help of Jesus Christ! We do not base our works to the Law of Moses, but rather we try to follow the Law of Faith set by God through Jesus Christ.

    I also believe in what the books of Galatians, Matthew and Hebrews that you mentioned but I do not believe in your explanation brother author. YOUR EXPLANATION actually CONTAINS deceit AND FALLACIES.

    Brother Author, YOUR EXPLANATION are contradicting the verses actually and you disregarded the other Apostles who are actually witnesses of the Law of Faith.

    And I do not blame you for this but the teachers where your kind of explanation originated.

    You see, it is true when you said that “Salvation is not in our own hands.” But it becomes a fallacy when you added this “…we do not need to be burdened with the dread of fulfilling the Law with our own strength. This would be an impossible task that will only end in despair…”

    This is because you are actually telling of the Law of Moses that can’t make you holy.

    And then brother you said, “Moreover, it is impossible for us to perform the works necessary to earn our salvation. The works necessary to earn salvation are best described by Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5, 6 and 7). After His discourse in chapter 5 where he elevates the bar of works to an unreachable height for human beings He summarizes what we need to do in order to earn our salvation in verse 48:

    You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    First of all, who said that we are not working for perfection? Of course, believing and having faith that we are the Body of Jesus Christ, which is the Church of God, we therefore shall practice perfection by working trought the help of Jesus Christ.

    1 Timothy 4:
    8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

    We didn’t even deny the fact that

    1 John 1:
    8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

    If we had a claim that we do not commit sin, do you think it is rational for us to say that we need to obey the Law of Faith? But what is obviously you are insinuating, brother author, is that you are really concluding from your own understanding what I am, and what the St Paul is trying to impart. You made yourself the interpreter of the bible, instead of using the whole scriptures as the interpreter of its own.

    You see brother, there you go again, you used the verse and then you explain it by yourself. What do we get? FALLACY.

    Another example of your manipulation of the scriptures through your own explanation:

    “The truth is that Jesus has helped us, by meeting this perfect standard for us. He completely fulfilled all righteousness in our place. We cannot add to this even if we wanted too. If we could then the Romans 5 passage I just quoted above would not be in the Scriptures.”

    Where is your fallacy brother? It appears when you tried to insert your explanation: “Your insistence in proclaiming that we need to add works of righteousness for our salvation diminishes the sufficiency of Jesus’ work.”

    Actually, it is true that Jesus met the faith that God wants us to have. Therefore, the standard was set for us to follow, it is the Law of Faith. It is by following the Law of Faith that glorifies Jesus Christ because we have faith in Him.

    Now, read the verses, a further explanation of St Paul about the letter to the Galatians, which now he wrote to the Romans

    Romans 4:

    15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

    (this is about the law of Moise)

    16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that

    (now he talks about works by faith)

    only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

    17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the

    dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

    18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So

    shall thy seed be.

    19And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet

    the deadness of Sarah’s womb:

    20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

    (he shown his faith through works, not by the law of Moses)

    21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

    22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

    23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

    24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

    25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    Then to the Hebrews,

    Hebrews 12:13

    12Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13″Make level paths for your feet,” so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

    14Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

    15See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. 16See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

    17Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. He could bring about no change of mind, though he sought the blessing with tears.

    Again, let me clear the poinst of this discussion:

    Hebrews 13:6 (KJV)
    6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me

    Romans 3:27
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Romans 3:31
    Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

    Romans 9:32
    Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

    Read Romans 9:32, you can see yourself as an example who sought

    Matthew 23:23
    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    The Church of God is the Body where Jesus Christ is the Head of that Body. We are members of the Church of God for we obey all the commandments in the Church of God, which is the house of the Living God.

    romans 9:

    25As he says in Hosea:
    “I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
    and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,” 26and,
    “It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,
    ‘You are not my people,’
    they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ ”

    27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
    “Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
    only the remnant will be saved.
    28For the Lord will carry out
    his sentence on earth with speed and finality.”

    The gentiles who followed the law of faith were described above. While the Jews who followed to the Law of Moses that leads to boasting were described below:

    29It is just as Isaiah said previously:
    “Unless the Lord Almighty
    had left us descendants,
    we would have become like Sodom,
    we would have been like Gomorrah.”

    30What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith;

    31but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. 32Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the “stumbling stone.” 33As it is written:
    “See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble
    and a rock that makes them fall,
    and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”

    Now I read this:

    James 2:

    8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right.

    9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

    10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

    11For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

    12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

    14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?

    Can such faith save him?

    15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

    18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

    19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

    24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

    25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?

    26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

    Now I ask you:

    James 2:

    14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?

    Can such faith save him?

    Again brother author,

    18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

    20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

    21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

    26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

    Now, are you dead? Yes you are! Learn how your spirit like Satan is dead, ready to be thrown to the lake of Fire which is the 2nd death.

    A dead spirit is a spirit that does not live in righteousness. A person even if he is alive but lives in the world of materialism, he is considered dead. Of course, since you are dead, your teachers are dead in the spirit, your Church to is called the Church of the Dead.

    Now I ask you:

    James 2:

    14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?

    Can such faith save him?

    Again brother author,

    18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

    20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

    21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

    26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

  3. I will agree to address James 2 after we have dealt with Romans.

    I think you have misunderstood what I said about Abraham. So I suggest you read my comments again. You need to address the fact that the works referred to in the passage are not the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses was not given for another 430 years after Abraham. Hence your argument falls apart.

    You have made alot of assertions about my comments on Romans 5. However, you did not engage what was written. I was not adding anything to the passage, so your repeated assertion that I am adding a “fallacy” does not make any sense. Just so you know repeated assertions are not an argument they are a propaganda technique designed to draw peoples attention away from the truth. This is a common practice of heretical cults (don’t imagine you would know anything about that though).

    I do not expect you to acknowledge the plain meaning of Romans 5, since it defeats your false interpretation of the Scriptures. Yet, I will hope that you will deal with the selected passages rather than create the illusion that they do not mean what they say. Let’s try it again and stick to the Romans passages this time.

  4. Brother, and now, are you telling us all (including your readers) that agreeing with what is written in James 2 would need conditions coming from you?

    Does conditions from the reader will make the book of James believable? Does your condition will render it true?

    I have actually run through almost all the passages on the writings of St Paul to the Romans by highlighting some!

    Now you wanted to concentrate on Romans 5? Are you insinuating that Romans 5 can save and the other Books and Chapters, even verses are not important for salvation?

    Romans 5 has other chapters that continues to delve into the distinction between the law of Moses/works and law of faith together with the works that follows it brother which can save a Christian.

    Are you insinuating that Romans 5 is the only writings in your Bible? Are you disregarding the other witnesses such as the writer himself, St Paul; St John, St James, Matthew, etc?

    Romans 9:32
    Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”

    What is pursuing? Is it working? You have worked not by faith but as if it is the Law of Moses.

    You see, as St Paul writes, he furthers it to his other books that followed.

    To the Ephesians he wrote:

    Ephesians 2:9
    not by works, so that no one can boast.

    But what works Brother author?

    Ephesians 2:10
    For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

    Philippians 2:13
    for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

    You see, I keep on giving you the verses that clears or clarify Romans 5.

    Boasting is nil in the good works. How? These good works are act on throught the law of faith. We have faith that the standards of good works has been done by Jesus Christ. We no longer fear that we cannot attain such perfection because our helper is Jesus Christ himself. How then can Christians boast if they have the faith of Jesus Christ?

    St Paul wrote first to the Romans, but then wrote also after like to the Ephesians, after also to the Philippians. Thus, his explanations got deeper but clearer to the concerned hearer. Have you heard the grace and accepted it Brother? I know you have not accepted it, a proof is written from your comments.

    Now, just as what I learned from Bro Eli Soriano:

    http://www.esoriano.wordpress.com

    Who is St Paul by the way? He was a former Jew, the reason why he tackled the Law of Moses-Works that leads to boasting.

    Romans 7:1Do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to men who know the law—that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives?

    Did St Paul say that by not following the Law of Moses, it is tantamount to not following the Law of Faith? Or did he say, “do not work out your salvation?”

    Philippians 2:
    12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,

    work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    Romans 1: 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

    Paul clarified that it is God which works in the Christians who are in the Church of God, the body, both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    Romans 1:

    1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—2the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, 4and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

    5Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.

    Romans 7:

    21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law;

    23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members.

    24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

    25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

    So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

    Romans 8:

    12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it.

    Brother, must I repeat the verses to you so you can hear that there is an obedience that comes from faith?

    Galatians 3:25
    Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

    Romans 3:27
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Hebrews 13:6 (KJV)
    6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me

    Romans 7:

    21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
    So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

    Were we saved already because of faith? Or do we wait for the salvation because of hope? Does faith brings hope?

    Romans 8:

    24For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently

    26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.

    28And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

    Who loves God?

    1 Corithians 1:

    1Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

    2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:

    3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    God called the Church of God to be holy. Is it by the Law of Moses or also known as works? No, it is by the Law of faith that also needs works, deeds, obedience, hope, faith, charity.

    1 Cor 1:
    4I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. 5For in him you have been enriched in every way—in all your speaking and in all your knowledge— 6because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you. 7Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed.

    8He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.

    Romans 3:27
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Romans 3:31
    Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

    Romans 9:32
    Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

    Romans 6: 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.

    Galatians 6:

    1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

    REMEMBER:

    FAITH,

    LAW OF FAITH

    LAW OF CHRIST

    LOVE (agaPE)

    Romans 13:

    9…and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

    Galatians 4:

    4But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law, 5to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. 6Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.

    8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

    Galatians 5:

    6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

    7You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? 8That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you

    13You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

    16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want.

    18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

    19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    Galatians 6:

    4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own load.
    6Anyone who receives instruction in the word must share all good things with his instructor.

    7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature[a]will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

    James 2:

    14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?

    Can such faith save him?

    Again brother author,

    18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

    20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

    21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

    26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

    If you do not believe James, then you do not believe St Paul. But what have you done, you used St Paul’s writings and did not understand it same as you did not understand St James’ writings.

    Galatians 1:
    11I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

    Romans 10:
    14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

    16But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”

    17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

    18But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:
    “Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
    their words to the ends of the world.” 19Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says,
    “I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;
    I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding.” 20And Isaiah boldly says,
    “I was found by those who did not seek me;
    I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.” 21But concerning Israel he says,
    “All day long I have held out my hands
    to a disobedient and obstinate people.”

    Again brother author:

    Romans 10:

    18But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:

    16But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”

    14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in?
    And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?

    15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

    17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

    NO matter how you read the verses, it leads to one thing, you will not understand unless the one reading to you is sent by God. He will read to you the scriptures as it was said by God. And as you hear it, you will then gain belief, then faith throught the grace of God.

    The message is heard through the word of Christ. From there, there is no lie and deceit.

    But they did not accept the word of Christ:

    Romans 11:

    6And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
    7What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, 8as it is written:
    “God gave them a spirit of stupor,
    eyes so that they could not see
    and ears so that they could not hear,
    to this very day.” 9And David says:
    “May their table become a snare and a trap,
    a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
    10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
    and their backs be bent forever.”
    Ingrafted Branches
    11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.

    Brother Author,

    Romans 11:

    13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

    21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

    22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

    25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

    In the law of faith, we will not be conceited nor boastful, with the help of God through Jesus Christ. Thus faith alone cannot save.

    So Brother let us work out for our own salvation.

    Romans 12:

    Romans 12:

    1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship.

    2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
    3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. 4Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given us.

    If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.

    7If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

    9Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
    14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.

    17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20On the contrary:
    “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
    if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
    In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    Romans 13:

    8Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

    11And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 14Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

    The teachings of your bline teachers becomes your foundation. But you still have time to deliberate, think about of what the scriptures I pasted here say.

    ROMANS 15:

    20It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known, so that I would not be building on someone else’s foundation. 21Rather, as it is written:
    “Those who were not told about him will see,
    and those who have not heard will understand.” 22This is why I have often been hindered from coming to you.

    Romans 16:

    25Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, 26but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him— 27to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

  5. You can continue to quote additional Scriptures, I will say amen to them. Nothing that I have written contradicts the Scripture verses you have cited. The only contradiction is your (or your “infallible” teacher’s) false interpretation that seeks to conclude that Christ is insufficient for our salvation.

    Why are you afraid to engage the passages that I have cited? They seem to be very clear that Christ alone is sufficient for our salvation without the addition of any works that we contribute.

    Unfortunately, I do not have the time or the energy to respond to all your propaganda that is twisting the meaning of the Scriptures. So, I would appreciate if we work together to understand the book of Romans together.

    Now I have cited verses (Romans 4:1-5) that make it impossible for you to claim that all the conditional works referenced in Romans are merely the law of Moses and not the law of faith/Christ. There are no distinctions between these two types of conditional works they are synonymous (Read Romans 1 and 2). Instead you are ripping a phrase out of context and twisting its meaning to support your doctrines.

    Furthermore, you have yet to address the passage in Romans 5 that clearly establishes that the Christian’s salvation is acquired by Christ alone. Instead you keep citing other Scriptures out of context attempting to nullify the clear meaning of Romans 5.

    Stop it. Please do what is right and deal with these passages, which are crucial to understanding the Gospel and the rest of Scripture. I will continue to point you back here until you address them.

  6. You don’t have time for the propaganda? You have all the right to delete what I said and retain the scriptures that I pasted on your comment area. Let your readers read them so that they will know the real context of Romans 4 and 5.

    These man wants me to stick on the verse. Why? Because he will be caught lying! I was pointing out other writings of St Paul to further show to you that he has explained it in his other books in the Holy Bible.

    But then again, even if he sticks to Romans 4 and 5, he is still obviously caught lying, unless he can read to us that the word “Christ Alone” or “Christ alone can save” is on Romans 5 or even on Romans 4 or in any verses. You will see that the word “Christ Alone can save” came from your evil mind and the mind of where it came from. By saying that phrase, you even disregarded the Father God who wants all men to be saved.

    But you did not follow the gospel brother. How would you know the gospel when you have not heard of it? How will you be saved when you have not known God? How will you hear when none was sent to read it to you? How will you have faith if you have not heard?

    This man, the author, does not believe that he has an obligation, responsibility to obey the gospel under the law of faith. He won’t even provide things for his family because he need not work or show his deeds, because for him, faith alone, can save him. He is righteous in himself.

    1 Timothy 5:8
    If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

  7. You say:

    But then again, even if he sticks to Romans 4 and 5, he is still obviously caught lying, unless he can read to us that the word “Christ Alone” or “Christ alone can save” is on Romans 5 or even on Romans 4 or in any verses. You will see that the word “Christ Alone can save” came from your evil mind and the mind of where it came from. By saying that phrase, you even disregarded the Father God who wants all men to be saved.

    Since you are unwilling to address the passage let’s read Romans 5:1-11 again and demonstrate how your opinion is wrong:

    1Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
    6For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

    Read this passage again and consider whether it is in harmony with you are saying…allow me to point out how it isn’t if you are still unconvinced:

    First, notice verse one, which says that “we have been justified by faith”. This may go unnoticed at first, but it is important for our understanding of the passage. So, please notice that this verb is in the past tense indicating that our justification is a completed thing. It is not an on-going process that we need to continually work at, it is finished (see John 19:30).

    Second, we have peace with God through “our Lord Jesus Christ”. Notice how he doesn’t say “through our Lord Jesus Christ” and our obedience to the ‘law of faith.’ No! Our peace with God, our right standing, our eternal life is provided by Christ received freely by grace through faith at the moment we believe (in the past).

    Third, the next several verses describe our response in gratitude to this grace that we have received without doing anything. This response has nothing to do with our peace with God only Jesus Christ does.

    Fourth, Christ died for the ungodly for sinners who were helpless to save them selves, which was an act of God’s love. He then reemphasizes that we have now been (past tense) justified by his (Jesus’) blood, which saves us from the wrath of God that we deserve. Again it is Christ alone that saved us, otherwise he would have said that “we have been justified by his blood” and our obedience to the ‘law of faith’. However, this is nowhere in the passage, because it is a false doctrine.

    Fifth, while we were enemies God reconciled us to Himself through the death of His Son and we are now saved by His life. Notice again these verbs are all past tense, which indicates that it is not an on-going process. Moreover, again He indicates how we are saved by Christ alone, otherwise he would said “by His life” and by our obedience to the ‘law of faith’. Again this is nowhere in the passage, because it is not true.

    How do you not conclude that salvation is not by Christ alone?

    You say:

    This man, the author, does not believe that he has an obligation, responsibility to obey the gospel under the law of faith. He won’t even provide things for his family because he need not work or show his deeds, because for him, faith alone, can save him. He is righteous in himself.

    You must not be reading my comments very closely, because you are accusing me of things I have not said. First, all along I have been saying that Christ is my righteousness not myself according to Scriptures. Second, I have never denied that we need to obey the law and produce good works. However, these works are not a condition of our salvation they are our response of gratitude in light of the grace we have been given. Please stop and just address the passages you are really not making much sense at all.

  8. I think it’s time for the other commenters to do their part. I addressed all your concerns.

    God will direct those he predestined to Jesus Christ. You will hear of the gospel from the man sent by God in this generation – that shall read to you the concerned verses for salvation.

    Salvation comes to those who will hear, accept and work out their salvation. And these important information is understood with the guidance of the holy spirit.

    I for one cannot blame you brother for not seeing my point because someone has already founded teachings in your heart.

    If your heart is barren, it can continously take a sip of rivers of false teachings, but not yet learned to dissect which water it needs tol accept.

    Your hear is more likely to accept false teaching than the truth.

    So, I hope you got the point that regardless of what I say or what you say.
    Hearing of the word of God comes from hearing – hearing from a man pre destined to read to us all that is needed for salvation.

    Revelation 1:3

    3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

    Bro Eli is reading the bible with us and to those his readings reach, and those who learned from him with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. These readings are put into action, lived by. We take to heart what is written. And this is our faith – the faith of Jesus Christ… to be obedient to God ’til the end.

    And this faith has fruit and ends with love/charity.

    Only these things and those that I have not mentioned here, biblical, are found in the Church of God, the reason why we cleaved to that Church and imitated it.

    God wants all men to be saved that’s why he is directing each called ones and leads them to the faith of Jesus Christ.

    I learned brother that you really want to follow God. And I understand that though we differ from other belief, we are one in understanding that this gospel should come from someone who has a full grasp of the scriptures. Have you found that one man who can explain all questions about salvation, life, God, all biblical? Because if your teachers cannot answer all your questions, then, they are liars.

    I also understand that you have read in the scriptures that to be able to know who’s telling the truth about the doctrines, you need to weigh things out, whether to believe Bro Eli’s word which comes from reading the scripture or from your teachers’ word that uses contradicting verses that more likely to confuse those who wants to seek for truth.

    Jesus is the only way if the way to him being preached is the true way that the apostles are writing about. If your Jesus that you insist is the only way, I don’t want to use your road.

    Many people becomes hypocrites, because of “the way” that they preach. “The way” to hell is their way because they did not follow the gospel. Though obviously, it would be unfair to conclude that you will go to hell because of false teachers. But then again, I say to you now, I found a way which is uncomparable to yours. It is this way:

    Jeremiah 6:16 (King James Version)

    16Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

    I am inviting you the old paths where the good way is, and walk therein. God will not let you suffer because I believe that I might have been in someway was used for you to realise that there is a group of people who knows, and continously practicing holiness that is valuable to the everlasting life promised to them by God.

    http://www.esoriano.wordpress.com

    I know you have your doctrine. I know I have mine. It is now your decision whether to seek the truth. I know you are seeking, thus I am giving you a way, and I am sure that you will find more that what you did not expect. It is not money, it is not fame, it is not the richness of the material world, but I am talking about the faith of Jesus Christ, the wisdom and the understanding that he has laid to the apostles which we are now being realised and fulfilled by US. I am saying this because I have learned that it is those in this period, times, that we can say that we are more near to that ones being expeted by the Apostles, because we are living in the NOW.

    I have so many things to say, but I do not want that the faith that I am trying to impart to you might be based on what I said. Try it yourself. By the grace of God, you will never regret this Brother.

  9. I addressed all your concerns

    Elman, what do you mean by this? You have not even started to address the concerns, but have been avoiding them in every entry.

    This response just diverts attention away from the real issue, which is your inability to reconcile your doctrines with the teaching of Scripture. As long as you continue to hide from this and ignore the Scriptures this discussion will not go anywhere.

    I know what your problem is though. You have been indoctrinated by this man and are too invested into his teaching to depart from it now. Unfortunately this mans understanding of the Gospel is not biblical, but very consistent with all other man-made religions.

    Again I urge you to deal with the passage and point out how you disagree with my last comment.

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