About this series and this site

I am currently working on a study through the Gospel of John to be used as future Bible Study material.  I previously posted a study on Colossians, which I began in 2003 and completed in 2006.  I am currently going through this study with my family on monthly basis.  At the tail end of the Colossian study I began to prepare written responses to the study questions.  This provided a way to be much more thorough and hopefully helpful.  Building upon that study, I am trying to improve upon it and create quality work.  Hopefully, this will be evident in your reading.

This work will probably take several years to complete, but I think that is a good thing.  Especially, for the world of blogs which receives criticism (sometimes merited) for being unthoughtful and too self-centered in its content.  This material has yet to be used and thus technically a draft.  So any feedback or comments would be welcomed to help improve the quality of the content.

A few things to consider as you read the lessons on the Gospel of John.  First, the inspired purpose of this book found in John 20:30-31:

Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Thus, the purpose that the Apostle John states that this work has is that the reader may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.  Moreover, when we believe in Him we will be granted eternal life.  Next, there are five major sections within this entire Gospel, which are as follows:

1.  John 1:1-19 – The Incarnation of the Son of God

2.  John 1:19-5:1 – The Presentation of the Son of God

3.  John 5:1-13:1 – The Opposition to the Son of God

4.  John 13:1-18:1 – The Preparation of the Disciples

5.  John 18:1-21:25 – The Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Son of God

The purpose of this book and the major categories noted above should be considered when determining the over-arching context of each lesson.  In addition, I also subscribe to the analogy of faith that promotes the view that Scripture is the best way to interpret Scripture.  Thus, the clear will help us to understand the unclear.  Furthermore, the Bible is a covenantal document and it should be read as such.

Since the world is in desparate need of reading good thoughtful literature, my goal for this blog is to give you a taste of that not only with my writing but with the writing of others (see reason for Changing of Site Name and Ancient Church series). Therefore, I have added a feature to recommend good books that have helped me in my own studies.  From these books I will be providing good quotations from them on the Lord’s Day.  There are also in the pages section some works that I have prepared in my academic career (found here Pages).  One sermon, two exegetical papers and one research paper on Mormonism.  Hopefully, this content will be glorifying to God, edifying to you, and bring all into a deeper knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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  1. great site! grace and peace

  2. Thanks Daniel, grace and peace to you as well.

    Do you go to WTS East?

  3. nahhh man…i wish. im still in high school

  4. You look much older in your picture (avatar?)…I wish I had that motivation in high school. Then again, God had a different plan to prepare me for the challenges I face today. Nonetheless, I hope that my children would have the motivation you do for seminary someday.

  5. yeah, thats not me but a picture of one of my favorite artists. thank you, i hope God will spark a passion in the hearts of all youth.

  6. Daniel,

    You have an interesting site as well. (that was my old background – similar tastes). I am buried in Hebrew right now, but will take some more time to read your stuff when I have time. Meanwhile, hopefully you continue to check in here. The Gospel of John has been a great book to study.

    Mike

  7. thanks Mike

  8. i love the LOTR trilogy, i actually own all three extended-cut dvds.

  9. I especially love this scene (above) where the men of the West stand up to the enemy by “faith”. Faith in the “ring bearer” who would fulfill what their forefather failed to do and bear the burden on their behalf.

    Of course it’s not a perfect analogy, however at I think the methaphors are awesome in the movies.

    I own all three extended versions as well.

    thanks for checking in.

  10. whatsup man, do you know of a good one-year-bible-reading-plan?

  11. RC Sproul’s tabletalk magazine has one.

    Otherwise 3 chapters of OT and 1 chapter of NT everyday will get you through.

  12. thanks bro, im trying to get different people’s opinions cuz i want to start this new years.

  13. Are you a mormon? What is the name of your Church?

  14. How come you call yourselves Orthodox Christians?

    Almost all of the sidebar head from this blog are wrong and are unfounded claims because you are actually adding the word “alone” to your every claim when in fact there is no word “alone” on the verses that you mentioned.

  15. Elmantheman,

    Relative to your first comment, no I am not a mormon. I have written many articles, however pointing out their errors.

    https://msamudio.wordpress.com/why-orthodox-christians-are-converting-to-mormonism/

    I am part of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC). There is a link to our denominations web-site in the side bar widgets. ( http://www.opc.org/ ) We are a Reformed denomination, which traces our roots to the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century.

  16. Elmantheman,

    Relative to your second comment the label orthodox comes from our concern about right docrtine. The OPC came into being about 80 years ago when liberalism began to take over the mainline Presbyterian Church in our country.

    You are correct the term “alone” is not explicitly found in the verses that are quoted. This term is more of a creedal statement that sought to emphasize the Reformation churches differences with the Roman Catholic Church.

    Essentially, we believe that the teaching of the Scriptures emphasize that our salvation comes through faith alone through grace alone by Christ alone. When it comes down to it our salvation is not dependent on anything that we do, it is based on Christ alone. ( https://msamudio.wordpress.com/2007/11/17/how-could-the-lamb-of-god-take-away-the-sin-of-the-world-lesson-4-question-6-answer/ ) We believe that the authority for the Christian and for the Church is found in the Scriptures alone. Our authority is not found in Popes, Councils, Ministers or the Church itself, it is found only in God’s revealed word. ( https://msamudio.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/how-has-god-the-son-explained-the-father/ ) Finally we also believe that man’s primary purpose is to glorify God. God alone is worthy of all glory and honor.

    Hopefully this helps to answer your concerns. I would suggest that you refrain from denying the legitimacy of certain things on this site (or in general) until you really understand them.

  17. You said, “I am part of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC). There is a link to our denominations web-site in the side bar widgets. ( http://www.opc.org/ ) We are a Reformed denomination, which traces our roots to the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century.”

    Where in the bible can you found this ideology? Give me also the verse from the scriptures that say that you need to follow or trace your roots from the “Protestant Reformation of the 16th century”? You clearly states from your sidebar:

    Sola scriptura = By Scripture Alone
    All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. 1 Timothy 3:16-17…………………………… The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deuteronomy 29:29

    So, how come you are now referring to your history? Don’t tell me without your Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, you’ll be lost forever?

    How can you glorify God if you’re not even a part of the Church of God? But anyways, if you have all the characteristics of St Paul, time will come that God will call you to His Church.

    But if you still will disregard the name of God’s Church, let see in the bible the name of the Church God prefers. Because of the word alone that you use, you just shown how unbiblical you become.

  18. Your question: Give me also the verse from the scriptures that say that you need to follow or trace your roots from the “Protestant Reformation of the 16th century”?

    Answer: I never claimed that this was required, so I am not sure what provoked you to ask this question.

    Your question: So, how come you are now referring to your history?

    Answer: Interesting question and I do not have any real response. Is something wrong with this?

    Your question: Don’t tell me without your Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, you’ll be lost forever?

    Answer: I wouldn’t say this, but would you say this about the Church of God? Only faith in Christ, the Son of God can save anyone from being lost forever.

    Your question: How can you glorify God if you’re not even a part of the Church of God?

    Answer: This is a strange question/comment. Do you mean all Churches that profess Christ as Savior? Or do you mean your particular Church and therefore are implying that it is the only true Church? Is this what your Church/Brother Soriano believes?

    Your statement: But if you still will disregard the name of God’s Church, let see in the bible the name of the Church God prefers. Because of the word alone that you use, you just shown how unbiblical you become.

    Answer: I am confused, when did I do this? Are you saying that the name of your denomination needs to be in the Bible in order for it to be authentic? This is an interesting statement that I must admit I have never heard before. On what basis do you draw this conclusion? Does your Church/Brother Soriano believe this?

  19. Elmantheman,

    “How can you glorify God if you’re not even a part of the Church of God?”

    i wonder what you mean by Church of God. the true church of God consists of genuine believers within many denominations who have trusted the sufficiency of Christ’s death on the cross to pay for their sins and give them righteousness. if you think that your church is the only right church then something is obviously wrong and they have a twisted interpretation of scripture. i dont appreciate the way you have attacked my brother in Christ. i don’t think that he was implying that his church was the only way or that people who aren’t into church history are somehow damned. before you attack these terms which you probably don’t know about it would be best to understand them. there is room for disagreement but only when both sides put aside ignorance and low blows. Grace and Peace.

  20. Mike,

    I think you’ll save yourself time and heartache by deleting such comments. He’ll go away when he figures out that you just keep deleting him. This is truly a bizarre individual, with bizarre ideas, and I doubt a blog will help him see more clearly. I suppose I could be wrong.

    E

  21. This is what I felt about the author, he hasn’t shown any biases yet, opposite of what his other readers did.

    Matthew 16:4-12

    1The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

    2He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

    3And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

    4A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

    6Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

    11How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

    12Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

    Hi, Stand and be counted,

    would you know that by adding the word “alone” to the verses your sidebar cries is contradicting your stand “Sola scriptura = By Scripture Alone” moreso, becomes a part of your doctrine?

    And you said, “Only faith in Christ, the Son of God can save anyone from being lost forever.” Is this scriptural, more importantly, when you have not taken into account and consideration other verses that says and implies that God wants all men to be saved! Provided that you do not believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ are two different entities.

    There are a lot of verses in the bible that you have taken for granted, or atleast by your teachers.

    But then again, I am not in the position to teach you these things. I am student to of the word of God. And one thing I have learned, words, phrases and the like that we learn to believe in from the bible should not have any conflict in the verses considered divine and we should not add nor subtract even dots.

    I hope God brings you to the faith of Jesus Christ because I feel you are not a fanatic yet. And the faith of Jesus Christ brings us to the Church of God where he is the head.

    We are called Members, Church of God International. The Church of God in the scripture has been told in the bible generations of generations ago, obviously we do not use that name to say that we are the ones who founded it. But rather, we cleave to that Church. How can we cleave to that Church? As you said, scriptures remain the source of the truth.

    1 Corinthians 1:
    1Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,

    2To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:

    3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    How can we be the Church of God when in fact we are not in Corinth? Can we not be called that Church, even if we cleave to the Church of God since it says that “…together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:…”? Can we just follow Jesus Christ but not cleave to the Church of God?

    1 Timothy 3:

    15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

    In God’s household, we follow all the commandments taught by God to the Apostles.

    Matthew 28:19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    Notice the last verse? What do the Apostles need to teach the Christians?

    Search for any group that rightly divides the word of truth and that keeps the things written in the scripture as commanded by Jesus Christ to the Apostles.

    Authenticity is based on the doctrine. Try the spirit.

    Try to visit:

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/11/12/the-truth-about-the-debate-against-sam-jordison/

    and find out who Brother Eliseo Soriano really is and if he has the true doctrine based on the bible. Ask him.

  22. I think we have here a Pentecostal Modalist.

  23. Elmantheman,

    I believe I responded to all of your questions, but I am struggling to see how you addressed mine.

    It sounds like you are denying that salvation is by Christ alone, by adding a requirement to be part of your particular church.

    Our Lord said: “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). He is the only mediator between God and men (1 Tim 2:5-6). Now you are asking people to insert another mediator, namely your church, as another necessary step to eternal life.

    Don’t you see the injury this does to the divine Word? Moreover, the injury it does to the sufficiency of our Savior’s work? If this is what you are saying than this is truly another gospel (Gal 1:9).

  24. I am denying your phrase “alone”.

    There is no such thing in the scriptures.

    Salvation comes from the Father God. Jesus Christ follows his Father’s commandments. And all things will return to God.

    Yes, Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, and no one can come to the Father but through him? Do we stop reading on this verse alone? Haven’t you read other verses that are related to this verse?

    Matthew 28:19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    Notice the last verse? What do the Apostles need to teach the Christians? They need to teach all whatsoever Jesus commanded them. And where should this be done? In the Church of God.

    1 Timothy 3:

    15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

    In God’s household, we follow all the commandments taught by God to the Apostles.

    These are just among the issues of the doctrine and we have to learn more because doing so, though physical execises is good, practicing holiness will benefit us even more to the life everlasting.

  25. There is no injury on saying this, God wants all men to be saved. Just do it the right way. Try the spirits.

  26. You say:

    Notice the last verse? What do the Apostles need to teach the Christians? They need to teach all whatsoever Jesus commanded them. And where should this be done? In the Church of God.

    Where do you come up with this stuff? Nobody denied that we need to obey the commandments.

    Unless you mean that our obedience is necessary to inherit eternal life. Well, if this is true then why did Jesus have to die? If our salvation is truly only in our hands then the cross was unnecessary for Jesus to endure. In fact this is exactly the apostle Paul’s point in Galatians 2:21.

    If you are correct then heaven is going to be a very empty place, because there is only one Person who kept the commandments enough to inherit eternal life. His name is Jesus Christ the Savior of sinners, (like me) who are utterly helpless to keep the commandments. And if you say that others can do it, then you are a liar (1 John 1:8). The truth is that it was necessary for Jesus to come and the mission He accomplished through His life, death, burial and resurrection truly saves His sheep (John 10) and secures eternal life for them.

    Yes God wants us to keep His commandments, but this obedience does not produce the righteousness necessary to enter into His presence. This righteousness was already accomplished by Jesus who transfers it to those who believe in His name 2 Corinthians 5:21. God requires perfect righteousness in His presence. Ours is like a filthy rag Isaiah 64:6. The beauty of the Gospel is that Christ is our righteousness and it covers us like a garment. We are clothed in Christ Galatians 3:25-27, which hides our infirmities before the Father’s presence Colossians 3:3.

    Not only does your Churches position render Christ’s work unnecessary, it also makes it insufficient. You see, Jesus came in the fullness of time Galatians 4:4-5 to put away sin once and for all Hebrews 9:25-28. This is good news for me and for you as well. It means that our salvation is not in our own hands. We do not need to be burdened with the dread of fulfilling the Law with our own strength. This would be an impossible task that will only end in despair. If this is what your Church teaches then I appeal to you to step away from that yoke and breathe the fresh air of the Gospel. It doesn’t need to be like that and then you can truly be liberated from the burden of the Law and take on the yoke of Christ:

    Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

  27. You said, “Unless you mean that our obedience is necessary to inherit eternal life. Well, if this is true then why did Jesus have to die?”

    That is an intelligent question. But it is not us who will explain or conclude why there is still works to be done.

    Let us seek the answers in the bible not from our own conclusion, not just because we read a single verse and that does not mean that we will stop. That is how Satan does it, he uses some statement and will not say or consider other wisdom because he will be caught cheating. You can throw yourself from a higher place and the angel will catch you. Will you follow that verse? Then Jesus says, Do not test your God.

    Matthew 4: 5Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6″If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
    ” ‘He will command his angels concerning you,
    and they will lift you up in their hands,
    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'”

    7Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'”

    8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9″All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

    10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'”

    11Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

    You for one needs to know that there are verses that are connected in order to understand their meaning.

    Which law are you talking about? You might be talking about the law of Moses. And Jesus said the old needed a new one.

    There is another law in the new testament. It is the law of faith.

    IT is the law that we need to follow, faith and works in Jesus Christ. We need to work for our salvation. Just like to the physical exercise that we do which has its benefits, more so holiness has value not only for today but also for the everlasting life.

    1 Timothy 4:8
    For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

    Because all of these will lead us to the faith of Christ. Even Jesus Christ has faith. And we will know this as we move on studying the scriptures. But the plan, the stages of the faith has been well stated in the bible.

    When you are young, you eat milk, and then you’ll eat meat as you grow in faith.

    But when is a a person considered eating milk? Is it when he is a like a berean, but have not been baptised yet in the Church of God because he only pursued studying not actually doing what a Christian ought to do?

    If he is not a member yet, how can he cleave to the good? Are you the ones who follows Christ because of the bread that you put on your mouth and then goes out to your anus? Or are you the ones who eats the living bread?

    How can you be a member in the Church of God stated in the Bible. As I have given you other verses, all the commandments given to the Apostles by Jesus Christ that came from the Father should be done in the House of God, which is the Church of the Living God.

    Jesus came to do what has the Father told him, remember? So when Jesus Christ speaks of salvation, it is the Father who actually is speaking because they are one in the sense of they are united with the intention to save people.

    John 6:44″No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day

    We are given the holy bible to exhaust the information there, with the guide of the holy spirit. (Well we do not believe in the Trinity as teached by the Roman Catholic because the bible didn’t state the Holy spirit is a God while the FAther and the Son are God, and they three composed the God head)

    Romans 10:

    13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

    16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

    17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God

    There is wisdom in every word of God, of course we all believe it, but some overlooked that point.

    Hearing is not just having a physical ear. The living bread goes to the ears then goes to the heart and does not come out to wear the waste is excreted.

    More so, the word is not spoken by just anybody. Someone is sent to preach the word. And since the word has been written already, it is not read by just ordinary eyes to be understood.

    I for one, studied, have been indocrinated to learn who God really is first and later on learned of so many things. I know what I believe in.

    John 6: 44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    You see, God is still the one who draws people to Jesus Christ. Remember when Jesus said he got 12 apostles and one of them is satan? Why should that be when Jesus all along knew from the very beginning who will back stab him.

    God wants all men to be saved.

    2 Corinthians 4:

    1Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

    2But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

    3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    But though people are blinded, there should be someone that will preach but will preach what the apostles heard.

    5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.

    6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

    7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

    8We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

    9Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

    10Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

    11For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus’ sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

    12So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

    13We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

    14Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

    15For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

    16For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

    17For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

    18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

    Thus brother, I am telling you of what I saw, things that are not seen by an ordinary man. I hope you see it to by the grace of God.

  28. ???…so basically you are ignoring Galatians to maintain your doctrine.

    And your dismissive statement that I am relying on one verse demonstrates your inability to see the Bible clearly without viewing it in a works-righteousness bent. Just for the record it is not just one verse but all of Galatians chapter 2 and 3. You should read this section and while your at it read Romans 3, 4, 5 and 6, Ephesians 1 and 2 and Colossian 1 and 2.

    The difference between your religion and mine is simple. You are trusting in your Church and your own righteosness for your salvation. I on the other hand am relying on Christ “alone” for my salvation. Just like the Philippian jailer asked Paul in Acts 16, “What must I do to be saved” Paul’s response was “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ….” that was it.

    Anything that we have to add to our own salvation is a concession that Christ’s work was not sufficient. Moreover, if it is only up to us in the end then Christ did not need to die. Of course, it is an intelligent question…because it isn’t mine it was the apostle Paul’s who wrote under the inpsiration of Holy Spirit. Furthermore, if salvation is up to us and our work then we could boast in it, which is the point Paul makes in Ephesians 2:8-9

    8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

    Can’t you see this?

  29. Did I say I am ignoring the book of Galatians? What I said is that all these books are intertwined, they are connected.

    But since you have the right to listen to the verses and hold on it, as taught to you by your teachers, you also have all the right to try the spirits. Try other verses if they conflict your belief. So you can prove who is preaching the real thing in terms of doctrines.

    Please read the whole Ephesians 2

    Paul was talking about the works being done when we follow the the Laws of MOises, it all result to boasting.

    But the works to be done in the faith of Christ like loving your enemy cannot be done by man alone, because if he can, he can do it boastfully. It is Jesus Christ who helps a man to love his enemy. When Jesus Christ is in you, having the law of faith, then you can now work out your own salvation. You will love your enemy, and you cannot boast that you love them because Jesus Christ took part in helping you to love your enemy.

    Did you get it? I hope you have some idea that this works and faith through Jesus Christ is one of the Father’s plan because He wants all men to be saved. Thus, no one can come to the Father but through Jesus Christ. Though Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life and no one can come to the Father but through him, still read this verse:

    John 6: 44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Jesus was sent to the world having the commandments of God. If you said that Jesus Christ can save alone, then what about your forefathers who didn’t heard of Jesus Christ? Are you insinuating that they are not saved? Or it is God the Father who will be the one judging them. Thus, using the word “alone” has its implications, contradictions in the gospel Jesus Christ.

    How can you show love, which is the fruit of the spirit when you will not work? Is it by faith “alone”? You know what the works needed to make your faith alive?

    If you are ready. Let us help you.

  30. You may try to deny it, but you are ignoring the book of Galatians which is indicative of all Scripture that proclaims that salvation is not in your power. Your law of faith is in conflict with Galatians 3:12. Faith is a gift of God that we freely receive, we do not earn it otherwise there is room for boasting. There is continuity and harmony in Scripture between justification and sanctification. However, it is not as you say “intertwined” at least the way you propose it to be. It is actually quite separate and distinct as you can see from Galatians 3:10-29 (Emphasis added):

    10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged( on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive(the promised Spirit through faith.

    15To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
    19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
    21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

    23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

    To further demonstrate that our works are not “intertwined” with our salvation pay attention to Romans 4:1-8 (Emphasis Added):

    1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

    7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
    and whose sins are covered;
    8blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”

    This sounds a lot like Ephesians 2:8-9, doesn’t it? One important point to mention here, is that the example here is clearly Abraham who lived about 430 years before the Law of Moses. I guess you can’t use that logic based on this passage, right?

    I really feel sorry for you that you have been fooled into believing that you have to earn your salvation by your teacher. This is an enormous burden that can only end in frustration and despair. If you are really honest with yourself, you will admit that you cannot keep this “law”. You break it everyday and if you say that you don’t then you are a liar. If you are really honest with yourself then this is a fearful thing that you would be doomed to fail and not enter into heaven. The good news is that you do not need to keep this “law” in order to earn your salvation, Jesus Christ has kept it for you. And if you trust in Him by faith alone then He alone has the power to save you.

    You still haven’t answered my question, if salvation is by works then why did Jesus have to die?

  31. 1. Why should you be sorry for me? The verses that you use is the verse that explains itself not you.

    Galatians 3:

    21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

    23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

    26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    There is this mentioned of faith. It is the Law of faith that I mentioned. If you do not follow this faith, which was the faith of Jesus Christ too, you can never work for your own salvation. Why, because you do not know the faith of Christ!

    If you can read back at first chapters, you will notice that St Paul was talking about Jewish customs, of the Law of Moses:

    Galatians 2:

    14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

    15″We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

    There is the Law of Moses which cannot justify. Then, there is the Law of Faith in Jesus Christ, which will lead us to the faith of Jesus Christ. I hope you consider this, and don’t hesitate to ask,

    2. God is the one bringing the chosen ones to Jesus Christ. And if you do not listen to God the Father, how much more can you proceed to the way of Jesus Christ?

    Haven’t you read on the verses that you gave why Jesus Christ died? It is for Christians who have the faith of Christ not the Law of Moses. Those who lived following the Law of Moses, God the Father will judge them. It is their time.

    Now the time of Gentiles and Jews came, the time of Jesus Christ and the Apostles, surely there is a different Law that we need to follow, it is by faith to Jesus Christ that works within us and helps us to fulfill the law of faith.

    Tell, me, is baptism works?
    Is tithing works?
    Is attending the church services works?
    Is preaching works?
    Is loving your enemy works?

    What important to loving the enemy is knowing the Christ help you do this. Therefore, we do not boast that we are able not to fight evil with evil. But able to feed our enemy.

    There are hypocrites out there that became such evil, because of your line of reasoning and teaching. I am not singling you out, but you also learned this from your blind teachers. Do not be offended of what I say.

    You for one, if you are a student, should know the meaning of “implication.”

    What comes out by faith “alone”, “once save always save”, and the likes are works too but satanic in nature, because people become hypocrites. Those who teaches these doctrines, they themselves made by interpreting the bible by themselves, are making the hearers, who will believe, more devilish than they are.

    Do not be sorry for me. My faith has no contradiction.

    The Father Almighty, God wants all men to be saved. And if you do not believe this, I am sorry for your forefathers, who did not learn of Jesus Christ as far as your line of reasoning, belief, and biblical understanding is concerned.

  32. …now you are ignoring Romans 4 in order to maintain your doctrine. You should definitely address this passage, which is also problematic for your interpretation of Galatians 3.

    You did address part of Galatians 3, but conveniently left out verse 12 in your treatment. You need to address this as well, because it is problematic for your “law of faith” interpretation. You say:

    There is this mentioned of faith. It is the Law of faith that I mentioned. If you do not follow this faith, which was the faith of Jesus Christ too, you can never work for your own salvation. Why, because you do not know the faith of Christ!

    There are a couple problems that should be pointed out here. First, this contradicts the apostle Paul’s definition of faith in verse 12:

    10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith

    For a person who claims to require biblical verses to support belief it is very odd that you have deviated from the biblical definitions and created your own term “Law of faith”. Where did you get this?

    The second problem with your statement above is that you are claiming that I do not have faith in Christ. How do you know this? Can you see into my heart? Can you read God’s mind? How did you draw that conclusion?

    Lastly, we need to address this statement that you made:

    What comes out by faith “alone”, “once save always save”, and the likes are works too but satanic in nature, because people become hypocrites. Those who teaches these doctrines, they themselves made by interpreting the bible by themselves, are making the hearers, who will believe, more devilish than they are

    You are rejecting the free gospel of grace, because you fear it leads to antinomianism. At least this means that you are understanding the biblical teaching on the gospel, because this is the exact criticism that the apostle Paul anticipates in Romans 6:

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206;&version=47;

    This accusation that you have made means that I am articulating the gospel clearly to you. But, you need not worry this biblical doctrine does not advocate that we continue on sinning. It just emphasizes that our obedience to the law is not the basis of our justification or right standing with God. This is important to distinguish, because it is Christ alone that saves sinners. Unfortunately, you are not willing to grant this and seek to keep works as a requirement for people to earn their own salvation. However, as I’ve mentioned before and you have yet to sufficiently answer, if this is true then why did Christ have to die?

  33. Well, the law of faith is instilled in the hearts of Christians. Just let me give you some hints.

    First of all, please bear with me for I believe that the messenger of God and give a complete explanation and verses from the scriptures so that the prophecy about this messenger will be fulfilled. Allow me to give a brief understanding of mine that I heard and believed in the Scriptures as Bro Eli reads it to us, Members, Church of God International.

    Let me read some verses to you first:

    Galatians 3:

    23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

    As I told you from above, that by following the law of Moses which is the law being explained in Galatians 2 and 3 chapters, the Law of Moses cannot justify.

    But the Law of Moses locked us up until faith should be revealed. I’ll give you an example.

    Jesus called the priests hypocrites because they just did all the Law of Moses, but did this not by faith but so they can boast.

    Mark 11:25
    And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”

    This was preached by Jesus Christ because those chief priest and teachers of law are hypocrites, they do pray so that they can show people that they are holy, they were boasting in their heart and acts!

    Matthew 6:
    5″And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

    6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

    7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

    8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

    As you will read later on, God wants all men to learn to follow a law, that is, the Law of Moses, given by God in two tablets of stones together with statues etc. But though the next plan was the faith that comes through Jesus Christ, the Jews instead of fearing God, have followed the Laws of Moses, not by faith, but for material gain.

    But then again, during Abraham’s time, it is he who has seen by God who did God’s commandment through faith, not because he was forced to follow it. But because he feared God. Fear of God is following all His commandments and teachings.

    Compared to the Law of Moses, those who did not obey that law were being punished by death through stone.

    Thus, the law of faith was followed by Abraham, even without him knowing the consequence. He followed God because of faith to God. Did Abraham boasted of obeying God? Definitely not! Thus, he had worked something out to show that he has faith to God! Maybe you can cite of things Abraham did that God has commanded him to do during his time.

    Romans 3:27(KJV)
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    If you can again refer to Galatian 3:23:25 and Matthew 6:5 and so on, you will understand that the Law of Moses was not enough because it was just the first step.

    This is in connection when you said:

    “Unless you mean that our obedience is necessary to inherit eternal life. Well, if this is true then why did Jesus have to die?”

    Yes obedience is necessary. But I am not talking about obedience to the Law of Moses. It was a passe, outmoded when the obedience to Jesus Christ’s commandment that came from God Himself is being called for already, that is, when Jesus Christ began teaching, when the prophecy about him began to be realized.

    Matthew 28:

    17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

    18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    The apostles are now teaching us what Jesus Christ commanded them. But what do the Christians need to do? Do they just hear when Apostles preach?

    It says on the verse 20, “and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.”

    Notice the word “obey”? So this is the law of faith that we need to obey. Now ask me, is there a composition in that faith that we need to work out for our own salvation that will not lead to boasting as what the Law of Moses has caused in some Jews? Yes there is. I’ll read the verse later on.

    Now, why can Christians do works commanded by Jesus Christ? It is because Jesus Christ shall be with the Christians ’til the end of age. Please read verse 20,”…And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.””

    Then you said that, “If our salvation is truly only in our hands then the cross was unnecessary for Jesus to endure. In fact this is exactly the apostle Paul’s…”

    As you can see brother, I have been talking on and on even above, that is, it is not only the person that will do the work of faith. It is called the Law of Faith because Jesus Christ will help us too.

    We love our enemy, not because we just want to. It is because we have faith in Jesus Christ that this is what he wants us to do and it is the righteous thing to do.

    The sacrifice Jesus Christ did was the fulfillment of the prophecy for him. He did what the Father God commanded him to do. Jesus Christ did this because of his faith to his Father.

    Psalm 2: 7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD :
    He said to me, “You are my Son;
    today I have become your Father.

    I hope you can see that. Jesus Christ is an example for all of us. To follow God’s commandment and to follow it by faith. That means, we should do it through the value Jesus Christ has and has shown.

    Also, if he did not do this, then, the Jew will boast too in away. What then?
    That they are correct in not believing in the Son of God.

    Psalm 22:

    1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from the words of my groaning?

    6 But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by men and despised by the people.

    7 All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads:

    8 “He trusts in the LORD;
    let the LORD rescue him.
    Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”

    Isaiah 53:5
    But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

    But then again, some of the Jews, more so, the chief priest and other teachers, did not understand of the next plan of God that was seen and experienced by their father, Abraham; even if they are reading the Old Testament, one is the book of Isaiah.

    John 12:

    37Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
    “Lord, who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
    39For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
    40″He has blinded their eyes
    and deadened their hearts,
    so they can neither see with their eyes,
    nor understand with their hearts,
    nor turn—and I would heal them.” 41Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.

    42Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him.

    But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue;

    43for they loved praise from men more than praise from God.

    So, they loved praise from men, more than praise from God. They are hypocrites.

    I hope you can still follow. Let go further, shall we?

    I am doing this writing for you, for your convenience brother. But it is still God who can let your eyes see and let your ears hear, those unseen and unheard that comes from Him.

    Now that you have some ideas of what the law St Paul was talking about that cannot justify a man, which is the Law of Moses, let us proceed to the verse that you are insinuating that I left out.

    Galatians 3:

    12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

    You see, the Law of Moses was not based on faith. An example of this is that
    a man who follows the Law of Moses, will cleanse his body, will watch his diet, will not commit adultery so as not to suffer the consequences of death by stones. He will live far from the angst of people who also follows the Law of Moses.

    Now read verse 13 and 14. Please realise that I mentioned the meaning of this verses above too.

    I am not deviating from the verse, I am going through all the verses connected to it as they were all written with a divine intervention.

    What is the gospel of grace? What chapter are you referring to?

    Gal 3:

    15Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.

    16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

    17What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

    18For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

    What then is the purpose of the Law of Moses?

    Galatians 3:

    19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.

    20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

    23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

    Now, since Jesus Christ appeared, he taught the Apostles what faith is. And this faith is what I am trying to impart to you my brother, which I learned from the Bro Eli Soriano, who is reading what the Apostles wrote, of which they heard from Jesus Christ, of whom got from the Father God.

    Galatians 3:

    26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Since there is no Jews nor Gentiles in Christ, then, we are not subject to the Law of Moses. We are not subject to the fesus Christ, who is now subjecting us to the Law of Faith.

    Romans 3:27(KJV)
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Brother, I am not accusing you of anything. I am just reading the scriptures to you. If you are offended, you are not offended by me, but you are offended by the Holy Scripture.

    Galatians 4:
    8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.

    9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?

    10You are observing special days and
    months and seasons and years!

    11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

    19My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!

    Christ is being formed in Christians by the teachings of St Paul.

    Galatians 4:
    21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

    St Paul highlights on how the Jews try still to follow the Law of Moses. What do St Paul wants them to follow?

    He wants both the Jews and Gentiles to

    Galatians 4:
    19My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,

    31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

    We are free from the Law of Moses.

    Galatians 4:

    4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

    Why are they are fallen away from grace?
    There is no love at all when they work. They just boast.

    Galatians 5:

    5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.

    6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

    That’s it, the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love!

    What then is Love? How is it manifested? Without works? You know that without works, the faith is dead, right?

    Galatians 5:

    13You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.

    14The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

    We are now expressing this commandment through the law of faith, that is, we are able to work our own salvation with the help of Jesus Christ.

    My last words and verses from the bible to you brother, for now:

    Let us work for our own salvation through the grace of God, through the law of faith, with the help of Jesus Christ. Let us work to not let gratify sinful nature.

    Galatians 5:

    16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

    17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other,

    so that you do not do what you want.
    18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

    19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions

    21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

    23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires.

    25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

    Remember, St Paul was talking to the Christians who were baptized in the place where the Father, the Son, and the Spirit dwells: where the all, whatsover commandments of God is commanded to be done by Christians- that is, in His Church – The Church of God.

    Thanks for the space. And Glory be to God. I am nothing.

  34. Please allow me to post again the later part of my comment for some typos:

    …Since there is no Jews nor Gentiles in Christ, then, we are not subject to the Law of Moses. We are thus subject to Jesus Christ, who is now subjecting us to the Law of Faith.

    Romans 3:27(KJV)
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    Brother, I am not accusing you of anything. I am just reading the scriptures to you. If you are offended, you are not offended by me, but you are offended by the Holy Scripture.

    Galatians 4:
    8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.

    9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?

    10You are observing special days and
    months and seasons and years!

    11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

    19My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!

    Christ is being formed in Christians by the teachings of St Paul.

    Galatians 4:
    21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

    St Paul highlights on how the Jews try still to follow the Law of Moses. What do St Paul wants them to follow?

    He wants both the Jews and Gentiles to

    Galatians 4:
    19My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,

    31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

    We are free from the Law of Moses.

    Galatians 4:

    4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

    Why are they are fallen away from grace?
    There is no love at all when they work. They just boast.

    Galatians 5:

    5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.

    6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

    That’s it, the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love!

    What then is Love? How is it manifested? Without works? You know that without works, the faith is dead, right?

    Galatians 5:

    13You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.

    14The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

    We are now expressing this commandment through the law of faith, that is, we are able to work our own salvation with the help of Jesus Christ.

    My last words and verses from the bible to you brother, for now:

    Let us work for our own salvation through the grace of God, through the law of faith, with the help of Jesus Christ. Let us work to not let gratify sinful nature.

    Galatians 5:

    16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

    17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other,

    so that you do not do what you want.
    18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

    19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions

    21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

    23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires.

    25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

    Remember, St Paul was talking to the Christians who were baptized in the place where the Father, the Son, and the Spirit dwells: where the all, whatsover commandments of God is commanded to be done by Christians- that is, in His Church – The Church of God.

    Thanks for the space. And Glory be to God. I am nothing.

  35. Elmantheman needs to answer this simple question: Are works of the law a condition of salvation or a consequence of salvation? – and be done with it. In other words is he a protestant or a Roman Catholic in his soteriology.

  36. …Since there is no Jews nor Gentiles in Christ, then, we are not subject to the Law of Moses. We are thus subject to Jesus Christ, who is now subjecting us to the Law of Faith. Romans 3:27(KJV) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Brother, I am not accusing you of anything. I am just reading the scriptures to you. If you are offended, you are not offended by me, but you are offended by the Holy Scripture.

    Let’s read this verse in context shall we:

    Romans 3:19 – 4:7
    19Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
    21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law

    29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. 1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
    7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
    and whose sins are covered;

    Okay, I grant that Paul refers to the “law of faith”. However, you cannot lift this verse out of context and conclude that we now have to earn our salvation through the “law of faith”. The entire context of the surrounding verses is very clear that salvation is a gift of grace achieved by Jesus Christ, not ourselves.

    Thanks for quoting the passages from Galatians, I agree wholeheartedly with everything quoted. What you need to understand is all this is in light of what Paul said in the preceding chapters. In the beginning chapters Paul is presenting what our status is in the gospel (indicative). This is clearly all achieved by Christ and is not earned by us. The later chapters then describe our response in light of our status in the gospel (imperative).

    You are clearly getting these things confused by blurring the distinction between justification (achieved by Christ) and sanctification (our response to the gospel with the help of the Holy Spirit).

    In justification we are made right with God through Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and His righteousness being imputed (transferred) to us (Rom 3:24). In justification we stand before God as righteous, clothed with the righteousness of Christ not our own.

    In sanctification we undergo the process of becoming holy through the help of the Holy Spirit. We become more righteous in this process, however it is a slow transformation that will never be completed until we die. This righteousness is not what saves us, Christ alone saves us.

    How do you define the gospel? The gospel or “good news” is that Christ has saved us. How could salvation be “good news” if we have to earn it?

  37. Brother, atleast now you know that there is a law of faith, and sooner of later, by the grace of God, you will move forward to
    knowledge that is in Jesus Christ.

    And please do not rely only to what I am saying. I am nothing even Bro Eli
    Soriano in the sight of God. But I believe that Bro Eli is a man messenger of God and he can explain this to you thoroughly. To say this would need some writings to you and proof.

    So, since you preferred to talk to me. I’ll do my best with the help of God to explain some of what I have learned.

    Just be reminded of what I am telling you even from the comments that I made here.

    You will be given by the grace of God the understanding to distinguish of which law leads to boasting. This law is the Law of Moses.

    But there is a law that can be followed that will not result to boasting. This is the law of faith.

    Now, please do not conclude hastily that the law of faith cannot save.

    St Paul was talking also to the Jews in the book of Romans about the Law of Moses and the Law of Faith.

    If there is a law of faith, it is tantamount that there is a law that we should obey. But what are some of the differences between the two Laws?

    1. Law of Moses – it is old and needs new. the Jews who follows this only leads to cleansing of the body and may lead to

    boasting if done by a hypocrite, who does not fear God, who has no knowledge of the righteousness of God.

    2. Law of Faith – it is planned by God to be followed after the Law of Moses has waxed old. It cannot lead to boasting

    because the law of faith cannot be followed without the help of Jesus Christ. Two individuals are now working together to be able to obey this law of faith, the helper and the doer. Jesus Christ is our helper! I for one cannot boast that I can
    follow the Law of faith because I am not the only one who acts on it. I do not act on it myself, alone.

    Philippians 2:
    12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    Actually, those who has not known this law of faith can be considered blind until now. Ask me why and I will again tell you
    to read Galatians and Romans and you will still not understand it, unless God gives you the grace.

    Romans 3:
    21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who
    believe.

    For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as

    a gift, through the redemption that is in

    Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith.

    This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

    26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith

    in Jesus.

    Read this brother before we move to the verse 27.

    Romans 3:

    7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

    8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose

    damnation is just.

    There is a wisdom in this verse too. Try to think if St Paul will say the other way around on verse 8. “Let us do good,

    that…?”

    No, it is always doing good to others so that they will see the righteousness of God.

    Listen to what is being said about the Law of Moses:

    Romans 3:

    19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped,

    and all the world may become guilty before God.

    20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    Now what is said about the Law of faith without the Law of Moses/Works:

    Romans 3:

    21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.

    28For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law

    I am not saying that all Jews from the time of Moses are hypocrites and boastful when they followed the Law of Moses. There

    are actually those who has the faith of Abraham who feared God the reason they can follow and have given birth to Jews that

    was converted to Christianity as the law of faith as being prophesied came into existence.

    Romans 4:
    11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised:

    that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed

    unto them also:

    12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith

    of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

    Some Jews did not understand this the reason up to now, they do not believe in Jesus Christ but they continue to follow the

    Law of Moses.

    The law of Moses/Works that resulted to boasting and hypocrisy are for those who do not fear God:

    Romans 3:

    9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all

    under sin;

    10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

    11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

    14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

    15Their feet are swift to shed blood:

    16Destruction and misery are in their ways:

    17And the way of peace have they not known:

    18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

    You see, the Christians who are in the Church of God fears God. Thus, the law of faith that we follow are done because of

    our fear in God. We no longer base our works in the Law of Moses.

    But if we follow the Law of faith, it is tantamount that we have followed better than thou shalt not kill, steal, etc. We are

    working to be able to follow: Love thy God above all things, love your enemy. This is done by fear of God.

    What is fear of God means? It is following all the commandments of God. And when you follow it, aren’t you working your own

    salvation?

    Acts 9:
    28So Saul stayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord. 29He talked and

    debated with the Grecian Jews, but they tried to kill him. 30When the brothers learned of this, they took him down to

    Caesarea and sent him off to Tarsus.

    31Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace.

    It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

    Proverbs 8:13
    To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

    Have you realized too that the law, thou shalt not steal is meaningless to a person who really do not steal even if he was

    not taught that stealing is against the law?

    But if a person who does not steal because he loves his brother and God would be tantamount to a person who is following the

    law of faith.

    As a Christian, I am not following the Law of Moses when I do not steal. But rather, I am working for my own salvation.

    Because I believe that my faith in God made me do good things like that. Now it is counted to me by God as righteousness.

    Thus:

    Romans 4:

    5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6

    just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
    7 “ Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
    And whose sins are covered;
    8 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.”

    You know, I will not boast that I am not stealing. You know why? Because even if I am not following the Law of Moses not to

    steal, I am not stealing. Even if I do not tell myself not to steal, there is someone out there that has instill in my mind

    and heart that if I love my brother, I will not do evil things to him.

    If I love my brother, it is leading me to the love to God. Am I working? Yes I am, but not working under the Law of Moses.

    I have the faith now.

    9Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned

    to Abraham for righteousness.

    10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

    11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised:

    that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed

    unto them also:

    12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith

    of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

    Even salvation has different meanings. If you will say that you are saved because of faith in Jesus Christ, tell me, are you

    in the New Jerusalem already? Are you not hungry for material food? Are you not thirsty for material water? Don’t you cry

    because of sufferings from evil people?

    Now, read this my Brother,

    Romans 4:

    15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

    16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that

    only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

    17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the

    dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

    18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So

    shall thy seed be.

    19And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet

    the deadness of Sarah’s womb:

    20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

    21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

    22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

    23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

    24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

    25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    If I follow the Law of Moses not to steal. I can say, I cannot follow it because I want my brother to suffer so I will steal

    his colorful dress given by my Father.

    But now as a Christian, I will not steal the colorful dress of my brother, not because of the Law of Moses. It is because of

    my faith in the law of faith in Jesus Christ. Am I following the Law of Moses, which is considered as working? No, I am

    still working but not because of the Law of Moses or the Law of Works, but because of the fear of God, that I wanted Jesus

    Christ to help me to love my brother.

    You see it is plain and simple to those that has received the grace. Work is very important, not the Law of Works(Law of

    Moses) but the Law of Faith in Jesus Christ. It is as if that we are not working anymore. But mind you, by working through

    the Law of Faith, you will experience persecution.

    You do not want to hurt your Boss. You love him even if sometimes he is not fair in giving your salary on time. But he is a

    good boss. But then again, he has an evil wife and she tries to tempt you every now and then.

    What do Christians do during this time of temptation? They have faith in Jesus Christ that He will help them face this

    temptation. I will go out of the house of my Boss and will not return save that my Boss is there too. Or if I feel the

    urge, I will pray, anyways, sex urge is not always high, let it just past.

    Now, did the Law of MOses is the works that I employed? No, it is the grace of God that works in me that I was able to pass

    temptation by Satan, much more, Jesus Christ helped me to surpass this temptation. I am working my salvation brother in this

    way, but it is as if I am not working because it is Jesus Christ who helped me, even my guardian angel. How then can I

    boast?

    1 Corinthians 10:

    11These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has

    come.

    12So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13No temptation has seized you except what is

    common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he

    will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

    Now, you asked me somehow, “How do you define the gospel? The gospel or “good news” is that Christ has saved us. How could

    salvation be “good news” if we have to earn it?”

    Jesus Christ will save the body, which is the Church of God, of whom He is the head.

    If you are not found inside the body, a servant who is not doing what is he is supposed to be doing, you shall be thrown

    outside.

    Those who are outside, who has not yet learned about Jesus Christ, those who has no bible or way of knowing Jesus Christ, God

    has plan to them because He wants all men to be saved.

    But as for you brother, you have the bible. You are left with your freewill to seek deeper on the righteousness of God.

    And I am bringing you the good news! I for one has learned of this things but I undergone indoctrination first so that then the faith that I am holding to comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    Romans 10:17
    Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

    You said,” In justification we are
    made right with God through Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and His righteousness being imputed (transferred) to us (Rom

    3:24). In justification we stand before God as righteous, clothed with the righteousness of Christ not our own.”

    I have been telling you from the time I started talking about the law of faith that we are not working alone, but with the

    help of Jesus Christ.

    Hebrews 13:6 (KJV)
    6So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me

    My question to you Brother, are you sure you are really in the Church that imitates the Church of God being preached by St

    Paul? Are you imitating the Church of God in works, and in spirit? Are your teachers really teaching the deeper meaning of

    the scriptures? Were they given the authority and are they a fulfillment themselves of the prophecy the blessed man that can

    read the bible and explain all the mystery found in the scriptures? If you’re answer is “maybe”, or has answered even a

    single “no”, then it is high time for you to test the spirits.

    Philippians 2:
    12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

  38. Jesus Christ will save the body, which is the Church of God, of whom He is the head.

    If you are not found inside the body, a servant who is not doing what is he is supposed to be doing, you shall be thrown outside.

    So are you saying that even though I have been forgiven for all my failures to do what I am supposed to do via Christ’s propitiation on the cross and I have had the perfect obedience of Christ imputed to me, I still won’t be saved – all because I am a servant who is not doing what he is supposed to be doing?

    Your doctrine damns the Apostle Paul who also was unable to do what he is supposed to do.

    You didn’t respond to the earlier question about works being a condition of salvation vs. being a consequence of salvation, so I don’t really hold out any hope of you responding to this question either.

  39. It seems that we have three things that we need to resolve. And I would appreciate your assistance in bringing closure to these things.

    1. Dispel the nonsensical notion that a law of faith exists that has replaced the law of Moses that we need to fulfill in order to earn our salvation.

    2. Address Bruce’s questions, which are related to my last question about your definition of the gospel.

    3. Address you latest comment/question:

    My question to you Brother, are you sure you are really in the Church that imitates the Church of God being preached by St Paul? Are you imitating the Church of God in works, and in spirit? Are your teachers really teaching the deeper meaning of the scriptures? Were they given the authority and are they a fulfillment themselves of the prophecy the blessed man that can read the bible and explain all the mystery found in the scriptures? If you’re answer is “maybe”, or has answered even a single “no”, then it is high time for you to test the spirits.

    From now on let’s try to focus on bringing closure to these issues, otherwise we will continue to talk past each other.
    Let’s begin with the first item about this “law of faith”. In reading your response you conveniently omitted the first 4 verses of Roman’s chapter 4. I believe you did this intentionally, because you know that they disprove your distinction between the law of Moses and the law of faith. Let’s reexamine these verses again:

    1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.

    Abraham lived 430 years before the law of Moses was given (Galatians 3:17), so the works that are being contrasted by the apostle Paul in these verses are not the law of Moses. The apostle Paul is saying that if salvation is according to our works than it is not a gift. We would just be receiving what we deserve (i.e. wages). You cannot now say that all of these passages are just referring to the law of Moses, when Abraham was clearly not under this law. Paul defines gift as something that we do nothing to earn. It is free based solely upon God’s mercy and grace demonstrated in His sending Christ to save us. This is further pointed out in Ephesians 2:1-10

    1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

    Please note that verse 10 here does not mean that we need to earn our salvation through good works. This would be in total contradiction with the previous verses. This passage almost repeats the arguments given in Roman 3, 4 & 5 in a summary fashion. We were dead in sins and trespasses and utterly incapable of saving ourselves. Christ was sent into the world to fulfill the law on our behalf and satisfy God’s justice against our sins by taking our punishment. The fact that Christ is our righteousness is the clear meaning of 2 Corinthians 5:21:

    21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

    And Colossian 1:18-20:

    19For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. 21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,

    We are now presented holy and blameless because of Christ and the reconciliation He made.

    So what are we to say about Paul’s reference to the law of faith in Romans 3:27? Well for certain is not a list of rules that we need to obey in order to achieve our salvation. This interpretation does serious injury to the meaning of the entire passage and His clear disclaimer that the law is not of faith in Galatians 3:12. So it must mean something else than the way you are interpreting it.

    Next, you need to respond to Bruce’s questions. He is absolutely correct the doctrines that you are articulating are nothing other than the Roman Catholic position of salvation articulated by the council of Trent. This is not good news to the sinner, who is told that he must earn his own salvation with the cooperation of grace. I bet you didn’t even know this.

    Lastly, let’s address this comment:

    My question to you Brother, are you sure you are really in the Church that imitates the Church of God being preached by St Paul? Are you imitating the Church of God in works, and in spirit? Are your teachers really teaching the deeper meaning of the scriptures? Were they given the authority and are they a fulfillment themselves of the prophecy the blessed man that can read the bible and explain all the mystery found in the scriptures? If you’re answer is “maybe”, or has answered even a single “no”, then it is high time for you to test the spirits.

    Yes, I am sure that I am in the right Church, because they preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ that is the clear message of the Scriptures. Sometimes I imitate Christ by performing good works. Unfortunately when I am honest with myself I must admit that I am still a vile sinner who needs Christ to save me. My teachers are not “teaching the deeper meaning of the Scriptures” they teach the plain meaning. This “deeper” meaning that you talk about sounds like an ancient heresy called Gnosticism. Beware of those who claim to reveal the “secret” or “deeper” meaning of the Scriptures (Deuteronomy 29:29). Were my teachers given authority? Yes, but probably not in the same way that you understand it. My teachers acknowledge only one authority for doctrine and practice, the Scriptures alone.

    Let’s try to resolve these issues before adding any further questions.

  40. Bruce, I did not just say these:

    “If you are not found inside the body, a servant who is not doing what is he is supposed to be doing, you shall be thrown outside.”

    It is actually written in the Holy Scriptures. It is Jesus Christ himself who said those things.

    Matthew 25:

    26″His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

    28″ ‘Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

    Even St Paul wrote of the same.

    Philippians 2:
    12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,

    work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    Brother, I hope you let the author and I communicate to each other first so that those who are reading will not find it difficult to read 3 people talking different things. After we both finished, you can later on ask. Or if you are hasty to ask, you can proceed to Bro Eli Soriano and ask him yourself because he our presiding minister who can answer you thoroughly.

    Thanks for understanding these.

  41. 1. What do you mean by dispel?

    Do you mean that I need to prove further that the law of faith exists? Since it is written, let me then further prove that faith needs work, not by the Law of Moses(the works that leads to boasting)

    Let me read give the verses and I hope you are ready to listen, with your heart brother:

    James 2 (New International Version):

    20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

    21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

    22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

    23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

    24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

    25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

    Those who believe that “faith alone” can save were called fools. Why? First of all they do not even know what faith is!

    1. Faith comes by hearing.

    2. Hearing by the word of God

    How can you hear? The doctrine is read to you by a person who learned of spiritual things of God, the spiritual knowledge that is in the scriptures. The person who was sent in this age.

    Then once you hear the word of God, once you learned of the doctrine, from the person who himself has heard of the doctrine, then you will be able to call the name of the Lord because you know now who is the Lord himself. Then if you know the Lord who can save, you of course will know what the Lord wants you to do so that you will inherit the kingdom of God. Once you received the everlasting life, then you are saved!

    Romans 10:

    13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

    16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

    17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God

    But they have not all obeyed the gospel. They only believed in faith alone. They did not obey. Obeying is working too? You cannot understand this right? Because you are founding your belief from a wrong faith. Thus, you are concluding from a wrong notion.

    1 Corinthians 11:19 (King James Version)

    19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

    Even in the Church of God, there is some who has the wrong faith, there are heresies among them. How much more outside the Church of God. All the gospels these false teachers teaches are all but a story and a lie. Though they are using verses, their conclusion comes from themselves not from the bible. Just see the difference brother on how you explain your knowledge which you got from your teachers. And see how I read the bible as how I learned it from Bro Eli Soriano, who also have learned from the Apostles by the grace of God.

    2. I think I answered Bruce already from my previous comments. May I just ask you both to read those again.

    3. Brother, you are mislead, why? Because although you have learned about Jesus Christ from you teachers, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they have the faith of Jesus Christ. They just hold on to fables about the gospel, but not the doctrine of Jesus Christ. It is said that all the commandments of Jesus Christ should be done in the house of the Living God, in the Church of God. It is clearly written, and I am not just saying this for the sake of my own interest. I have given you the verse, let me add one:

    Ezra 7:23 (KJV)

    23Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons?

    1 Timothy 3:15
    But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

    In this house where the process of salvation is being done. Baptism is done in the Church of God, where the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit dwells. But before you are baptised, you should be able to hear first the doctrine for you to be able to know the true gospel of Jesus Christ. You learn to differentiate that fables that was taught to you by your old teachers and people around you from the teachings read to us by Bro Eli Soriano through the grace of God.

    Actually, the Church of God is important because by imitating the Church of God, of being a member of that Church preached by St Paul, I was able to learn of what “faith” really means.

    So, to have faith, is to undergo a process.

    God calls you and brings you to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ teaches you through the Apostles who wrote the bible by the grace of God.

    Who will then teach us in this generation of the things written from the Holy Bible? It is a person who has been given the grace to read to us the meaning that is between the lines of the verses. It is a person who himself follows in heart whatsoever was commanded by Jesus Christ.

    How do I know that I am in the right faith?

    There is a prophecy:

    Revelation 1 (KJV):

    3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

    Do you know what “and keep those things which are written therein:…”?

    It means we have works to follow by faith. Don’t be a fool! I am not saying of things that I just know, these things are written. I am just reading you the scriptures related to what you are asking. Now if you want to debate. Make sure that you have an open mind and heart that if what I said is not a story but I read from the scriptures, please, pray to God that you He will also give you the grace to understand the scriptures. Pray to God that Brother Elman is not lying to you. Pray to God that Brother Elman will not save you, but it is God who wants all men to be saved. It through Jesus Christ that the Church of God will be saved by the mercy of his Father.

    You clearly stated, “Sometimes I imitate Christ by performing good works.” Then you just contradicted your belief that faith alone can save.

    I am sorry, maybe my grammar is difficult to be understood since my mother tongue is Filipino.

    Yes performing good works is done through faith. But know first if your faith comes from God. If you have received the faith.
    Remember, St Paul is talking to the Church of God, the audience themselves are the Christians.

    Galatians 1:
    6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
    10Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

    11I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

    I hope you realize that I am bringing you the good news in a way, because this is what I heard. I am giving you an unperverted gospel.

    Thanks for you time. I am nothing. To God be the glory, forever and ever, Amen!

  42. One more thing, without the deeper meaning revealed to the Church of God is totally not fulfilling the prophecy. The Church of God has the duty to fulfill the prophecy so that the Body will be ready once all the prophecy for them has been fulfilled.

    Revelation 10:7
    But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

    St Paul even wants the Church of God have the deeper understanding of Christ.

    Colossians 2:
    1I want you to know how much I am struggling for you and for those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally. 2My purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding,

    in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

    4I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments.

    5For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how orderly you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

    6So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, 7rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

    8See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

    Hope you learn something. All thanks to God!

  43. Hope you learn something?

    Mike, this guy’s a vampire. How much of your time has he stolen from you, robbed you of?

    This person is irrational. He is a charismatic modalist. He doesn’t even believe in the Trinity. There is no hope of overcoming his beliefs in a blog. He doesn’t even interact with what you say.

    Delete his comments and he’ll go away. This is not a cold hearted thing to do. Guard your time.

  44. Echo,

    You are probably right, but it is not really wasting to much of my time.

    Elman,

    You did not address Romans 4. Please do this before introducing new items.

  45. Why would someone wants to delete my comments? Well I dare you to delete my own words. Just let the scriptures remain.

    By then you will see that the scripture cannot be broken. What I written in words are nothing, but the verses that I copied says it all.

    Read the wisdom in this verse:

    Matthew 18:16
    But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’

    I said faith alone cannot save. I read to you two apostles, St Paul and St James. Didn’t you want to hear them, they agree in one thing and their faith are the same.

    Romans 4 and James 2. Both St Paul and St James talks about the law of faith which is totally in disagreement with you (author and your brethren, even your teachers). Then who do you think is telling the truth? YOU or me? Of course, can I tell the truth myself? I an reading to you the scriptures. Of course unless you favor one Apostle for your self interest scheme. Be warned of this as said by St Peter:

    2 Peter 3:

    15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

    I am not actually introducing new items. I have introduced another witness, St James, though. Do you want another witness?

    As St Paul said:

    Romans 3:27(KJV)
    Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

    St Paul actually opposed St Peter as shown in a situation in the Books of Galatians 2:

    11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

    14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

    After this, after some years St Peter then gave the same understanding of the law of faith:

    1 Peter 3:

    21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God.

    It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

    You are right brother author when you said, “Sometimes I imitate Christ by performing good works.” By this statement you just contradicted your belief that “salvation comes through faith alone ” and that we do not need works.

    But actually, good works are not done sometimes. But if you have the good conscience from God, that is brought by the correct faith, then everything you do leans to the “love” that is a fruit of the spirit.

    We do not need works that resulted to following the Law of Moses. Though this cleanse our body from dirt, working in this manner leads to boasting.

    We need to work by following the Law of Faith. By this, we are working with the pledge of a good conscience from God.

    Thus the phrasing and belief of “faith alone can save” or “salvation comes through faith alone” is WRONG.

    MORE So, the word “faith”, should also be studied. ASK these things:

    What does faith mean? How can I have the faith of Jesus Christ? Who will teach us of this? Should I only believe to the one talking? How can we be assured that the man talking, preaching, reading to us about the gospel are talking, preaching, reading to us the pure and undefiled gospel of God?

    May I remind you once again when you use the writings of St Paul as being warned by St Peter:

    2 Peter 3:

    15Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

    16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.

    His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

    Let me just give you some points. This is the sequence of writing of the books we used:

    Galatians written about 50-52 AD
    ROMANS written about 56AD
    1 Peter written about 62-64 AD
    2 Peter written about 64 AD
    Acts of the Apostels written about 61 AD
    James written about 61-62AD

    In the books of the Acts:

    Acts 9:
    28So Saul stayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord. 29He talked and debated with the Grecian Jews, but they tried to kill him. 30When the brothers learned of this, they took him down to Caesarea and sent him off to Tarsus.

    31Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace.

    It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord.

    Proverbs 8:13
    To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

    The early Church of God grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord. The fear of the Lord is obeying God’s commandments.

    What about Acts 16 that you are pointing out brother author?

    Let me read from that chapter a works from the Law of Moses and statutes – but that does not necessarily mean boasting, but doing it in following the Law of Faith.

    Acts 16:
    3Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

    4As they traveled from town to town, they delivered the decisions reached by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem for the people to obey. 5So the churches were strengthened in the faith and grew daily in numbers.

    13On the Sabbath we went outside the city gate to the river, where we expected to find a place of prayer. We sat down and began to speak to the women who had gathered there. 14One of those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message. 15When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. “If you consider me a believer in the Lord,” she said, “come and stay at my house.” And she persuaded us.

    What Acts 16 are you talking about?

    But Even Lydia who believed worked out her salvation to be baptised.

    Act 16:

    29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

    31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.

    Brother author, just read the next verse. When the jailer asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

    What were St Paul’s and Silas reply?

    31They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

    How can they believe save they didn’t hear?

    Romans 10:

    13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

    16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

    17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God

    Acts 16:

    32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.

    Romans 10:

    17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God

    Agains, Romans 4 if you can’t understand, read it together with James 2: 20-25

    James 2:

    8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

    11For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

    12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

    14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

    18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

    19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

    20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

    21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

    22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

    23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

    24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

    25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

  46. This is really sad. You are refusing to address the passage (Rom 4:1-5), because you know it proves your distinction wrong.

    Please deal with the passage instead of dodging it and trying to create the illustion that there are contradictions in Scripture. For the record these passages do not contradict themselves unless you confuse the distinction between faith and works as you have.

    You can look at all of your comments and see how you have conveniently avoided it. This passage proves (along with many others) that salvation is not based upon our works. Salvation is by Christ alone. You can continue to trust in your own righteousness. I will continue to trust in the righteousness of Christ.

    Answer this passage.

  47. Do you think St James, St Peter, and St Paul will conflict each others’ writing?

    Galatians 2:
    9James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews.

    YOU are really blinded. Maybe you confused the word “work/s” as explained by St Paul. There are two works being explained here. You might have confused both works as only one, that is, the Law of Moses that leads to boasting.

    Thus, even if you do not follow the Law of Moses, through faith, you are able to work with the faith of Jesus Christ. Your deeds, action, work, works, are done through the help of Jesus Christ. Thus, even if you work, it will not lead to boasting, because you are not working alone anymore. You have a helper, Jesus Christ.

    Romans 4:1-5

    1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

    4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

    Thus, if he worked through the Law of faith, after he believed in God, he followe, obeyed, worked out what was supposed to be commanded to him as explained by St James

    James 2:

    8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

    12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

    14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?

    Can such faith save him?

    15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

    18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

    19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

    20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.

    24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

    25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?

    26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

    But since you are insisting that St Paul is talking about the Law of Moses everytime he speaks of the word “WORK/S”, you totally did not understand the verses in Romans.

    Let us then ask St Paul what work is through faith in Jesus Christ.

    Hebrew 11:

    1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

    2This is what the ancients were commended for.

    3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

    8By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.

    9By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

    11By faith Abraham, even though he was past age—and Sarah herself was barren—was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

    13All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.

    14People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

    17By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.

    31By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.

    32And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets, 33who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection. 36Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison. 37They were stoned; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground.

    39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

    These verses say 13All these people were still living by faith when they died. When Abraham was ready to kill his son, he was actually following God. Abraham’s action proved his faith to God.

    Hebrews 12:13

    12Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13″Make level paths for your feet,” so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

    14Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

    15See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. 16See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

    17Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. He could bring about no change of mind, though he sought the blessing with tears.

    And the writings to the Hebrews are composed of commandments relayed by St Paul given by God.

    Yes, you cannot understand these things because your church is not an imitator of the Church of God in the bible, nor your teachers have the grace of God.

    By the way brother author, you insist that works is not needed but faith only to be saved. Do you mean, you will just have faith and will not obey the commandments to Christians as written by St Paul? Can you please define “works,” “faith,” and “salvation”?

    Yes, you are using St Paul’s writings, maybe without the motive to deceive, but you yourself were deceived by your teachers. Thus, if you are a blind and trying to lead a group of blind people, both of your will fall to a ditch.

    Don’t debate my words, hear me. Please hear the gospel of Jesus Christ.

  48. A response will be posted here:

    https://msamudio.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/lords-day-quote-john-calvin-4/

    Please read the quotation then the response.

  49. I will wait for your response here.

  50. It’s waiting for you under the the post linked above. Please read it there.

  51. Msamudio, when you keep on adding the word “alone” on verses that does not contain it nor means anything like it, then you are not that different from the Pharisees mentioned below.

    Mark 2 (New International Version):

    6Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, 7″Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

    8Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, “Why are you thinking these things?

    9Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, take your mat and walk’? 10But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins . . . .” He said to the paralytic, 11″I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.” 12He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all. This amazed everyone and they praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”

    These kind of teachers or students limit themselves on their own human ideas and understanding. They have not considered the possibilities and facts in the Holy Scriptures. Or they really don’t have any idea at all and will never learn? They tend too to be selective on what to teach, because outside of what they learned from their false teachers, they are like stagnant waters where there are no fresh water that flows.

  52. You really don’t make much sense.

    The statement in verse 7 made by the Pharisee’s is absolutely correct. That is the point of the passage. Only God alone can forgive sins and Jesus Christ being God also possesses the authority to forgive sins.

  53. Hey this is a great site, I’ve been reading some of your posts, and I like what I’m reading here. Keep up the good work and may God bless you!

  54. Ricky,

    I appreciate the compliments and hope you will continue to enjoy the content posted here.

    I am a little behind right now, but will have some new posts coming out in the next couple of weeks.

    First will be an exegetical paper on John 6:35-47, which has been consuming alot of my writing time as of late. After this the John study and ancient church series will resume.

    Are you a Reformed Christian?

    S2C

  55. Eh, somewhat. I fall in-line with the general Baptist view of Christianity, though I still hold on to conservative Pentecostalism with regards to the gifts of the Spirit.

    It’s kind of a mix, but I do hold to most of the Reformed theology.

  56. Well, that’s exactly how I started out about 8 years ago.

    Sounds like the upcoming posts on John 6:35-47 will be very helpful for you in wrestling with covenant theology. It will focus on the pactum salutus or Covenant of Redemption, which is essential for so many other Reformed biblical doctrines.

    Grace and peace

  57. Sounds good, I look forward to reading them.

  58. Hey brother,

    Just stumbled across your site via my good friend Daniel’s blog (Heart of Flesh). Will definitely pass by a lot more often. Keep the faith!

    Douglas

  59. Douglas,

    Welcome to Standing Solus Christus it is by Christ alone that we stand before God. Look forward to your feedback and encouragement. I’ll have to check our your site as well.

    S2C

  60. Remember, the kingdom of God is within all of us, those who believe in Christ Jesus and have faith, will find it. And yes, it is a gift to be had by those who believe it exists.

  61. Hey Mike,
    Update your site!


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